The news broke on The Debrief June 5, 2023 morning in an article written by Leslie Kean and Ralph Blumenthal, both published writers.
“The whistleblower, David Charles Grusch, 36, a decorated former combat officer in Afghanistan, is a veteran of the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA) and the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO). He served as the reconnaissance office’s representative to the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force from 2019-2021. From late 2021 to July 2022, he was the NGA’s co-lead for UAP analysis and its representative to the task force.”
Need to Know Podcast with Bryce Zabel and Russ Coulhart, 6/5/23 Show.
Elizabeth Vargas and Brian Entin of News Nation, Posted 6/5/23 Show.
Raw transcript from the Vargas Show:
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Unknown 0:00
36 year old Air Force veteran David grush is exposing what he calls a top secret military program that has reportedly found wreckage of fully intact UFOs. A government now calls them UAPs or unidentified anomalous phenomena. For years there have been whispers and rumors that the government had aircraft of non human origin. This report is the first evidence it might be true. The Inspector General has called brushes complaint urgent and credible. Tonight we have a world television exclusive interview with the whistleblower, in which he claims we not only have the aircraft, but the government has been keeping much of it secret from Congress and from the public. news station. senior national correspondent Brian Entin is here with the story and this is a blockbuster.
Unknown 0:50
It is a blockbuster. It’s really hard to wrap your mind around this. I’ve been working on this for the past couple of weeks, I’m still having a hard time processing processing all day. Over the last couple of years, it sort of became mainstream to discuss UFOs the government has released videos, they’ve acknowledged that we don’t know what some of this stuff is out there that we have on camera but this really takes it all to another level for the very first time the world is about to hear from a former high level US intelligence officer who says the government has some of the unidentified craft in its possession. He is revealing these exclusive details about the secret government program going against the Hudson we have all seen these blurry videos on identified flying objects video evidence, if you will, that old tales of UFOs may not all be conspiracy theories. In recent years Congress starting an official US government unidentified aerial phenomenon Task Force recently renamed the all domain anomaly resolution office or arrow. And now in a news nation exclusive David grush, an Air Force veteran, former member of that task force and veteran of the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency is formally blowing the whistle on secrets he says no one has ever shared publicly before.
Unknown 2:11
You are one of the most trusted former intelligence officials in the US defense and intelligence establishment. Yes, I was. You were trusted with the most intimate secrets. Yes.
Unknown 2:25
Gresh sitting down with award winning investigative journalist Ross Cole Hart, who’s reporting for news nation and has spent years reporting on the UFO question.
Unknown 2:33
What conclusion did you come to at the end of your time on the UAP Task Force?
Unknown 2:40
The UAP task force was refused access to a broad crash retrieval program.
Unknown 2:46
When you say crash retrieval, what do you make? These are
Unknown 2:49
retrieving non human origin technical vehicles you know, call it spacecraft if you will, non human exotic origin vehicles that have either landed or crashed.
Unknown 3:00
We have spacecraft from another species. We do. Yeah. How many?
Unknown 3:06
Quite a number. You’re kidding. No. I thought it was totally nuts. And I thought at first I was being deceived. It was a ruse. People started confiding in me they approached me. I have plenty of current former senior intelligence officers that came to me many which I knew almost my whole career that confided in me they were a part of a program. They named the program. I’ve never heard of it. And they they told me based on the oral testimony and they provided me documents and other other proof that there was in fact a program that the UAP task force was not read into
Unknown 3:43
Gresh alleges the US government has recovered non human craft for decades. He’s filed a whistleblower complaint saying he gave what he calls the classified proof to Congress and the intelligence community inspector general eustachian has confirmed David grush his credentials and resume we’ve not seen or verified the alleged proof he says he’s provided to investigators. He says he can’t show us the proof for national security reasons. He also tells us he’s not seen photos of the alleged craft himself, but has talked extensively with other intelligence officials who have
Unknown 4:14
if you’re right, if you’re telling us the truth, everyone, the entire American public has been lied to for decades. Yeah, there’s
Unknown 4:24
a sophisticated disinformation campaign. Targeting the US populace which is extremely unethical and immoral.
Unknown 4:32
You are saying to the human race for the first time and official intelligence representative at a high level from the US government is saying publicly. We are not alone.
Unknown 4:47
We’re definitely not alone. Absolutely. The data points empirically, that we’re not alone. Yeah.
Unknown 4:52
Do we have bodies do we have species
Unknown 4:56
Oh, well, naturally, when you recover something that’s either landed or crashed. Sometimes that pilots and believe it or not as fancy as fantastical as that sounds. It’s true.
Unknown 5:11
It’s also harder for people to wrap their minds around the concept of a craft object from somewhere else. It’s easier to accept that yeah, we see things in the sky that we can’t explain.
Unknown 5:22
Journalist Leslie Kane broke brushes whistleblower story this morning in the debrief. Miss Kane’s career has been mainstream and credible, having a series of reports on UFOs and the New York Times dating back to 2017. He has the credentials but there’s no documents that he’s handed over. There’s no pictures and as a journalist, you want to see documents you want to see pictures. Does that raise a red flag?
Unknown 5:45
Not at all, Brian, I mean, you mean documents that actually describe the craft
Unknown 5:49
or NGO like document or to to be able to see it for ourselves?
Unknown 5:53
Of course, don’t we all want that. And the problem with that is all of that information is classified, you know? As we said in the story, everything that grush told Congress and told the the inspector general of both the IC the intelligence community Inspector General and the Department of Defense inspector general, all that information is classified
Unknown 6:13
in 2017. Key reported exclusively in the New York Times that the Pentagon had a secret UFO program. Three years later, the Pentagon confirmed her story. Her latest report is even more explosive. McCain says she has multiple sources who back up crush his story.
Unknown 6:30
I believe it because of all the sources I have who have told me the same thing. So who am I to doubt these very, very high level people who have been inside these programs for decades, have done their work and are all telling me the same thing. I mean, I don’t think there’s some kind of conspiracy among all these people who don’t know each other to make something like this up. So
Unknown 6:51
I’ve got to be blunt about this. You’re not making this up. This is not the life
Unknown 6:55
No, absolutely not.
Unknown 6:58
Because everybody watching this right now is looking at your face. They’re going is this guy for real?
Unknown 7:06
I am for real. And I’m you know, I’m sitting here at great personal risk and obvious professional risk by talking to you today.
Unknown 7:15
And just within the last 10 minutes or so, the Pentagon has released a statement to news nation about this report. They say to date arrow has not discovered any verifiable information to substantiate claims that any programs regarding the possession or reverse engineering of extraterrestrial materials have existed in the past or exist currently, era was committed to following the data and its investigation wherever it leads era working with the Office of the General Counsel and the Air Force Office of Special Investigations has established a safe and secure process for individuals to come forward with information to aid arrow in its congressionally mandated historical review. Arrows historical review of records and testimonies is ongoing and due to Congress by June 2024, and arrow welcomes the opportunity to speak with a former or current employee or contractor who believes they have information relevant to this historical review. And Elizabeth we know that David grush He’s filed that whistleblower complaint he’s he’s been on the record Underoath testified to many of these things that he said in our report tonight, right? And it’s
Unknown 8:20
important to point out that this statement from the Pentagon from aero Gresham is alleging that this top secret top top secret secret program is keeping the secret from Arrow.
Unknown 8:32
So exactly an aggression. What he’s saying is true. You know, the spokespeople all of those folks at that level wouldn’t even know if they even know about anyway,
Unknown 8:40
I got to ask you I, you know, he has a compelling story to tell very little of it seems like firsthand knowledge. Isn’t he just repeating what somebody else has told him or somebody else has showed him?
Unknown 8:53
Yes, that is what he’s doing. But he says he’s talked to a number of people who are in very, very high level positions. He also had basically the highest level of classified material information that he was able to receive. We went back and checked over you know, his history all of his credential checkout checkout completely. Unfortunately, digital
Unknown 9:13
edition a couple of people have come forward publicly to vouch for him people who are high ranking they have
Unknown 9:18
they have and this article first came out this morning, and I think it’s interesting that, you know, there hasn’t been any sort of effort to discredit what he has said, either from the Defense Department is
Unknown 9:27
so interesting. So what happens, you know, and Have we had any reaction, by the way from members of Congress who have been been taking this seriously in the last couple of years, we’ve seen congressional hearings, we’ve seen NASA’s hearing just about a week ago on UFOs or UAPs, whatever you prefer to call them. We’ve seen the DNI give a briefing to the White House on this when we’ve been hearing whispers and rumors for years. I remember even former President Trump when he was in office, sort of saying oh my gosh, if you knew what I knew about UFO, yeah. So there’s always been this intrigue
Unknown 10:00
there has and think about it. Elizabeth, if you go back 15 or 20 years, if we were sitting here talking about UFOs people would think that we were naughty. Now it’s gotten to the level of where it is somewhat accepted, because the government has come forward to a certain extent and acknowledge that there are these videos that exists the Navy has released the videos themselves and said we’re not sure exactly what this is that we’re seeing, of course, what what Greg was saying really just sort of takes it to the next level,
Unknown 10:28
which Sure does. It’s almost impossible to believe. All right, Brian, and thanks so much. And former Navy fighter pilot Lieutenant Ryan Graves joins us now he was the first active duty pilot to testify before Congress about his squadrons experience with UAPs. He also founded Americans for Safe aerospace to encourage other pilots to come forward. Lieutenant graves always great to have you on the show. First, just your reaction to what we’ve just heard.
Unknown 10:55
Yeah, quite the incredible statements that were made public today. David has had a lot of experience and he’s made some pretty strong statements. My understanding that is that this has been properly communicated to Congress and other stakeholders in government. And so that really, what’s the onus now on Congress to be able to move this information forward, hopefully to the American people.
Unknown 11:17
The whistleblower complaint alleges that not only has our government had these craft of quote non human origin that is keeping it secret, and for decades, the Air Force discredited sightings of UAPs by pilots like you. Does it sound possible to you that that kind of secrecy is still happening this kind of disinformation this time around aircraft?
Unknown 11:41
Well, that just seems to be the case. We’ve been reporting I’ve been reporting on unidentified objects since 2014, and 2015, off the coast of Virginia Beach. And still that conversation hasn’t elevated to the point where pilots still feel comfortable reporting. So yes, I still believe that there is secrecy and stigma associated with this topic. And this conversation that we’re having today, I think is a massive step in the right direction.
Unknown 12:05
Can you describe exactly what you saw when you were flying in the air that night?
Unknown 12:12
Certainly, we were seeing dark gray or black cubes inside of clear spheres. And we were seeing these, all of our working areas on a near daily basis, sometimes coming as close as 500 feet to our aircraft as we were flying our operations. We were seeing this not only off the eastern seaboard, but we’re seeing this down south, off Jacksonville, Florida, as well as off the west coast. Now with the domain anomaly resolution office reporting that we’re seeing spheres globally that are proceeding from zero to two mock on a regular basis. We still haven’t really figured out what those objects are
Unknown 12:47
and you largely to your efforts and a few others and people are now speaking out pilots and now speaking out but in general, especially a couple of years ago, but you say even now still to a certain extent. What are pilots told when they come back and say, Oh, my God, look at what I saw and what I recorded in my cockpit camera.
Unknown 13:07
Yeah, a lot of times it doesn’t even get to that. That point. Unfortunately, Elizabeth pilots aren’t taking it back to their companies, to their safety offices and reporting this. Typically what I’m hearing from aircrew that are calling reporting is that they’re seeing objects, they’re typically reporting it to air traffic control. And, and that’s really where the conversation ends. There’ll be a number of other aircraft that will report the same thing in the same facility. But there’s no further action taken, but it was a bit disappointing to hear the go ahead here. The FAA chief talked a little disappointing to hear at the FAA representative at the latest public meeting that the NASA independent study team had stated that he was only familiar with maybe four or five reports of UAP from the FAA controllers. I’m personally hearing reports from pilots that they’re seeing objects on almost a nightly basis, often north and Pacific as well as northern Atlantic
Unknown 14:02
almost a nightly basis for several months. Yes, okay. If these non human craft are in fact flying around the earth on almost a nightly basis, would it makes sense to you that one or more of these would crash or land
Unknown 14:19
well, that’s that’s the assumption that we have to make if David story is 100% true. If these objects are flying around that have been for a number of years, the assumption would be that they would likely crash at some point and that there would be an operation to retrieve it.
Unknown 14:33
A former staff director of the Senate Intelligence Committee is publicly calling on the government to reveal what it has, he says he’s spoken to four witnesses who say the same thing that you did that day that grush says that we have material from non human craft and he writes, we must know the facts concealing such vital information. If we are not alone. This poses a huge barrier to successfully adapting to the world around us. Do you agree with that?
Unknown 15:04
Absolutely. Not only do we’re not able to adapt a reality around us, but there’s all sorts of potential concern for miscommunication or identification in war zones of potential safety hazards with air traffic, and just the reality that you know, we’re just not ready for something potentially if it is happening around us if we’re not willing to acknowledge it.
Unknown 15:23
This former staff director also writes that there is a pattern of persistent pattern of surveillance around Department of Defense test ranges and around nuclear sites. First, have you heard of that? And if so, wouldn’t this also make this a matter of national security?
Unknown 15:41
I have to I have to insist that it does. These aren’t being detected around training ranges and matter places of national security such as nuclear facilities. Additionally, we can see that there is some level of repeatability and congregation of these objects in those areas, and that should be a cause for concern. Some of the work that we’re doing at the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics is related around the detection and sensing of these objects. And there are patterns that can be pulled out and we are seeing them go operate mostly around training ranges and military operation areas.
Unknown 16:15
Do you believe brushes claims? It’s not about
Unknown 16:23
trusting him. It’s the fact that he’s brought evidence forward that we can now go through and verify and that’s now in the in the hands of Congress to be able to go and verify that story. His story is believable. And I think it’s now up to Congress to to verify it and then communicate the results of that to the American people.
Unknown 16:39
All right, Lieutenant Ryan Graves, always great to have you here. Thanks so much for weighing in on this. Really appreciate it. My pleasure. All right.
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